Resolved, 9/11 Truth: The Initiation of Explosions / Collapse of WTC 1 Did Not Begin at the Location of the "Plane" Hit

Update 12/9/07

Update 12/5/07

Update 11/10/07

Keith Seffen’s WTC Collapse Folly: Not Even Wrong

Okay, I’ve read the paper. If I was a referee for this paper, I would write even less than I wrote about the last paper discussed above. This paper is, as Wolfgang Pauli once said, “not even wrong.” (An apparently scientific argument is said to be not even wrong if it is based on assumptions that are known to be incorrect, or alternatively theories which cannot possibly be falsified or used to predict anything. ) That’s probably what I would say in a referee report. But my wife wants me to tell you, the reader, why I say this.

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11/9/07

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Air America/Thom Hartman 9/11 Truth Debate: Kevin Ryan vs. Michael Shermer MP3

http://media.putfile.com/Commercial-Free-Thom-Hartman-911-Debate-Ryan-vs…

In case you have trouble downloading it from there (as opposed to just listening to it) you can get the full 41.38 MB MP3 file at the following (somewhat slow) link:

http://www.freefilehosting.ws/file/744/Commercial-Free-Thom-Hartman-911-…

Also, mirrored for QUICK download here.

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Exhibit 1.
Slide Show of 1st Hit Damage:
http://www.msnbc.com/modules/wtc_terror_experience/default.asp

Choose the Option at target web page: “The Attack Begins”

Screen shot from that video is shown below:

Exhibit 2.
Video Which Includes the Initiation of Collapse
http://www.vidilife.com/media/videoPlayerFullScreen.cfm?id=AC-41DC-45E6-84DC-D
and
http://www.vidilife.com/media/videoPlayerFullScreen.cfm?id=A8C85307-22CB-4BD1-9A0F-A

Based on these videos, I would suggest the following:

1. The initiation of the explosions starting the collapse, based on the orange hot spots and then a moment later a horizontal row of explosions are roughly as high up as the plane stuck WTC 1.

2. For those who think that the idea that this a “top-down” collapse, (not a bottom up as is usual for other video specimens of CDs), you are omitting the details of clear instantaneous events which do happen to commence near the top of WTC 1. However, whatever one attributes the collapse with the idea that the “plane” crash damage, and ensuing fires, and loss of structural integrity, it is a complete nonstarter. Look at the evidence: there is no way to negate the idea that detonations of some type are underway.

The following screen snaps are presented in sequence:
(this snaps occur at the time stamp of about 1:31 remaining in the video as shown by the video player at the target web page)



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Top Down Demolition

One of the main arguments defenders of the official story have made against the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers is that demolitions never start at the top of the building. In other words, they claim that demolitions always start at the bottom and proceed upwards.

Moreover, there were numerous reports of huge explosions in the basement and other locations well below the collapse zones in the Twin Towers. For example, a stationary engineer who worked in the basement of one of the towers testified that an entire below-level garage and a 50-ton hydraulic press were demolished long before the tower collapsed.

However, a new video shows an example of a top-down demolition of another building:

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A scholarly, civilized exchange between Prof. Mark Vorobej and Barrie Zwicker

Update 12/3/07

9/11 Truth and the WTC Destruction Debate

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2007/12/more-on-bazants-hack-science-and-wtc.html

via 911 Truth Movement on 11/15/07

The pair of Letters added today to the Journal of 9/11 Studies illustrates how a civil discussion can take place, even when one party is critiquing another’s work.

Prof. Mark Vorobej sent a Letter to the Journal of 9/11 Studies which included a critique of some material in Barrie Zwicker’s book, “Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-up of 9/11.” Of course, the editors allowed Barrie to reply — a courtesy we extend in all such cases. That is, if one finds his work criticized by another, then he or she has a standing invitation to respond. This invitation stands to all authors who find their work critiqued by another research. And most journals extend the same courtesy — hence the importance of responding to such authors as Bazant and Seffen… But I digress…

Barrie Zwicker offers a gentlemanly, exemplary response to, and comments upon,
the paper “Cumulative Arguments and Smoking Guns” by Mark Vorobej. He writes:

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Score: 10.0, Votes: 8

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Things you can do from here:

9/11 Truth: Massively Important

Letter from Prof. David Ray Griffin

The Appeal to NIST was penned mainly by James Gourley and he deserves recognition for his work in the 9/11 Truth movement. It is available here: http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2007/AppealLetterToNISTGourleyEtAl.pdf James and I have written a technical paper which we hope will be published soon. (I’m going to ask you to do a little prepatory homework; please work through the problems here: http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssci/phys/Class/newtlaws/u2l4a.html . All four lessons are helpful.)

And we can all look forward to the updated edition of The New Pearl Harbor by Prof. Griffin! Thank you for your work, David. It’s great to work with you and James and all the folks named above — and all those throughout the world contributing to this critically important cause for justice and peace.

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Blogger Completely Ignores the Question

The issue isn’t about melting or strength. The issue is about explosions and never before witnessed demolition markers. These events include “dustification” and clear forces at work beyond heating and gravity.

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Rosie O’Donnell and the Failure of Scientific Education

Rosie O’Donnell is a great example of the failure of scientific education in this country. Of late, Rosie has joined the “truthers,” using her show to flog the notion that the WTC was brought down in a government-planned controlled demolition.

I will have to yield to Popular Mechanics for most of the discussion about WTC7. However, I can, from my own engineering training, rebut one point on WTC1&2. (Note again, future commenters, this applies to WTC 1&2. There was a different dynamic at work in WTC 7).

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Blogger Completely Ignores the Question

The issue isn’t about melting or strength. The issue is about explosions and never before witnessed demolition markers. These events include “dustification” and clear forces at work beyond heating and gravity.

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Rosie O’Donnell and the Failure of Scientific Education

Rosie O’Donnell is a great example of the failure of scientific education in this country. Of late, Rosie has joined the “truthers,” using her show to flog the notion that the WTC was brought down in a government-planned controlled demolition.

I will have to yield to Popular Mechanics for most of the discussion about WTC7. However, I can, from my own engineering training, rebut one point on WTC1&2. (Note again, future commenters, this applies to WTC 1&2. There was a different dynamic at work in WTC 7).

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WTC Structural Analysis

http://www.iconreview.org/en/news/687

14 March 2002

American Structural Engineers Defend ‘Heroic Performance’ of WTC Towers
The profound shock felt in the United States and its construction community at the enormous destruction wrought by the attack on the World Trade Center was vividly conveyed by Ron Klemencic at the recent Building for the 21st Century ‘summit conference’ in London.

Introducing a graphic presentation on the fall of New York’s two highest buildings, Mr. Klemencic, Chairman of the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat, and President of the structural consultancy Skilling Ward Magnusson Barkshire in Seattle, said:

“September 11th 2001 will forever be etched in our minds – a date when the world witnessed an horrific act, challenging the innocence or naivety of ‘freedom’ to the very core. How will we respond? What price are we willing to pay to protect ourselves?”

Mr. Klemencic said the destruction of the World Trade Center presented an enormous problem to the design and construction industry. “The fruits of our labor have been the target of an attack and we must prove to the world that we can overcome this challenge.”

Some had gone so far as to propose radical solutions such as blast absorbing concrete and steel composite panels that would stop an in-bound aircraft; placing super-strong refuges every ten floors; foam-based fire suppression systems to combat aviation fuel fires, even spiral slides in lieu of exit stairs from tall buildings. Worse yet, others had attempted to make this an issue of concrete against steel, or American codes vs. international standards.

Before answering any of these claims, Mr. Klemencic asked people to consider the facts about the structural form of the towers and how they stood up to these unprecedented assaults. He pointed out that they possessed two unique qualities present in hardly any other of the world’s buildings.

First, the sheer size of the floor plate, 209 ft. across (64m approx) giving floor space of 43,000 sq. ft (4000 sq. m) on each level, compared with the majority of tall buildings in the United States which are between 120 and 140 ft. across (36-43m). Second, the redundancy of the exterior wall. This was of perimeter tube design with steel columns spaced at 40 in. centers (1m approx), 60 columns on each face of each tower. These two qualities, and these alone, said Mr. Klemencic, allowed the towers to stand for nearly one to one and a half hours after the initial impacts. Most other buildings in the world, he said, would have collapsed immediately.

Next he asked people to look at the facts about the type of aircraft that struck the towers. The Boeing 767-300 has a wing span of 156ft. (47.5m); it is 180ft. (55m) in length and weighs around 300,000 pounds. The aircraft were each carrying some 20,000 gallons of aviation spirit and travelling at between 300 and 350 mph. Bearing in mind that the force of impact is related to the square of the velocity, to protect a building from that kind of force it would be needful to arrest the plane within 5ft, requiring resistive force equivalent to 400 million pounds applied in one tenth of a second. Compared with that, the wind load the World Trade Center towers were designed to withstand was 15 million pounds. Once this was understood, it should be clear that buildings could not be designed to stand against this kind of impact.

Engineers from around the world have concurred in acknowledging the heroic nature of the towers’ performance. The Press have been searching for the ‘smoking gun’ which would explain why so many people died. But, said Mr. Klemencic, there is no smoking gun. Nothing from the events of September 11th shows that American building codes are inappropriate.

Apart from the structures themselves whose integrity had been breached by openings up to 140ft (43m) wide, five safety systems in the towers were compromised simultaneously. These were the fireproofing, the fire stairs, the fire suppression system, the stairwells and compartmentalisation over the 3 – 5 floors involved in the immediate impacts.

“Let’s assume”, said Mr. Klemencic, “that we are able to develop some miracle technology to address this situation. In the United States each year, the commercial construction industry spends about $500 billion on new construction. If we are to increase the cost of construction by one or two per cent, that would mean $5 to $10 billion of added costs, to fight an unknown hazard at an unspecified time and place.

“We must not over-react. We must not jump to the conclusion that our buildings must somehow be changed to protect them against the threat of an in-bound aircraft. Rather, our response must be thoughtful and deliberate. We must educate the community at large as to appropriate expectations and assist in striking a balance in the costs so that our limited resources are spent wisely.”

Lightweight Steel Floor Trusses Said to be the ‘Weakest Link
Shortly after Ron Klemencic’s presentation in London, a television documentary program on the United Kingdom’s Channel 4 gave another explanation of why the WTC towers collapsed. This pointed to the use of lightweight steel floor trusses which had never been used in any tall building previously to span as much as 60 ft. (18m). In a commentary published on the Channel 4 web-site after the program, Paula Hawkins said that the core and elevator system of the buildings were also unusual. “Because it was feared the pressure created by the buildings’ high speed elevators might cause conventional elevator shafts to buckle, engineers used a drywall system fixed to a steel core to house the elevators.”

When the planes hit the towers, as many as 40 vertical columns at the perimeter of the building were knocked out. However, the towers were initially able to withstand this damage. “Indeed, the force with which the planes hit the buildings was 95 per cent of the wind load which they were designed to withstand.”

Lightweight steel trusses were alleged to be the weakest link in the structure. The commentary went on to quote Charles Clifton, a structural engineer at New Zealand’s Heavy Engineering Research Association as saying that having penetrated the perimeter frames, the planes would have done much more than just stripping the fire protection off the columns…..The effect would have been to completely shatter and eliminate large areas of the floor slabs and many of the internal supporting columns…..leaving the rest vulnerable to fire attack.

The Channel 4 web-site statement also said: “The structure of the WTC towers is crucial when considering the impact of the fire. The towers, being lightweight and devoid of concrete, were relatively difficult to protect from fire. The weakest link was the floor trusses, which spanned considerable distances. Made of such thin steel (about 4 cm thick), compared to the area they spanned meant they would have heated up very quickly…..Once the floors had succumbed to the heat of the fire, the integrity of the building was threatened. Core columns were not only bearing extra loads, but were subject to intensely high temperatures. Once they began to buckle, the crash site floors collapsed onto the floor underneath…..Once this domino effect had begun, it took seconds for the towers to be reduced to rubble.”


Insurers Found Structures Beaten by Temperatures Well Beyond Design
Munich Re, the German reinsurance company, in its own assessment of the disaster that struck the World Trade Center on September 11th, said that the outer facades and core of the towers were interconnected by horizontal steel trusses approx. 20 m long, which were covered with a layer of concrete roughly 10 cm thick to form the floor of each storey. This made it possible to create large office areas without additional supports. All the steel trusses were coated with the usual mixture of fireproof material used at that time.

Shortly after the aircraft struck, the fire reached temperatures of over 800 deg. C and as much as 1400 deg. according to some experts.

“The fireproof coating of the steel trusses in the core area was designed to withstand at best a local fire, such as burning archives. At temperatures of only 600 deg. C steel loses around 75 per cent of its strength. Despite their coating, the columns consequently gave way or melted completely.

“Although the North Tower had been struck first, the aircraft hit the building higher up and the fire raged longer there before the weakened steel columns in the floors finally caved in abruptly. Due to the dynamic force of this sudden failure of the loadbearing structure, the upper storeys hit the undamaged floors below with their full weight. The lower floors were not designed to withstand such loads and likewise collapsed. As a result, the North Tower caved in like a telescope at 10.28, almost an hour and three-quarters after the collision.

“In the case of the South Tower, the aircraft struck the building lower down and also severed the columns of the outer façade near one of the edges. Due to the higher load of the 35 or so floors above…..the upper half of the tower initially buckled. Then, at 10.02, almost exactly an hour after the collision, the tower completely collapsed in a huge cloud of dust. “The third building to succumb was the 47-storey 7 WTC on Vesey Street. Severely damaged by flying debris from the twin towers it collapsed floor by floor, almost in slow motion, at 17.40. Subsequently the other four buildings of the WTC collapsed one after the other too.”

WTC Structural Analysis

http://www.iconreview.org/en/news/687

14 March 2002

American Structural Engineers Defend ‘Heroic Performance’ of WTC Towers
The profound shock felt in the United States and its construction community at the enormous destruction wrought by the attack on the World Trade Center was vividly conveyed by Ron Klemencic at the recent Building for the 21st Century ‘summit conference’ in London.

Introducing a graphic presentation on the fall of New York’s two highest buildings, Mr. Klemencic, Chairman of the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat, and President of the structural consultancy Skilling Ward Magnusson Barkshire in Seattle, said:

“September 11th 2001 will forever be etched in our minds – a date when the world witnessed an horrific act, challenging the innocence or naivety of ‘freedom’ to the very core. How will we respond? What price are we willing to pay to protect ourselves?”

Mr. Klemencic said the destruction of the World Trade Center presented an enormous problem to the design and construction industry. “The fruits of our labor have been the target of an attack and we must prove to the world that we can overcome this challenge.”

Some had gone so far as to propose radical solutions such as blast absorbing concrete and steel composite panels that would stop an in-bound aircraft; placing super-strong refuges every ten floors; foam-based fire suppression systems to combat aviation fuel fires, even spiral slides in lieu of exit stairs from tall buildings. Worse yet, others had attempted to make this an issue of concrete against steel, or American codes vs. international standards.

Before answering any of these claims, Mr. Klemencic asked people to consider the facts about the structural form of the towers and how they stood up to these unprecedented assaults. He pointed out that they possessed two unique qualities present in hardly any other of the world’s buildings.

First, the sheer size of the floor plate, 209 ft. across (64m approx) giving floor space of 43,000 sq. ft (4000 sq. m) on each level, compared with the majority of tall buildings in the United States which are between 120 and 140 ft. across (36-43m). Second, the redundancy of the exterior wall. This was of perimeter tube design with steel columns spaced at 40 in. centers (1m approx), 60 columns on each face of each tower. These two qualities, and these alone, said Mr. Klemencic, allowed the towers to stand for nearly one to one and a half hours after the initial impacts. Most other buildings in the world, he said, would have collapsed immediately.

Next he asked people to look at the facts about the type of aircraft that struck the towers. The Boeing 767-300 has a wing span of 156ft. (47.5m); it is 180ft. (55m) in length and weighs around 300,000 pounds. The aircraft were each carrying some 20,000 gallons of aviation spirit and travelling at between 300 and 350 mph. Bearing in mind that the force of impact is related to the square of the velocity, to protect a building from that kind of force it would be needful to arrest the plane within 5ft, requiring resistive force equivalent to 400 million pounds applied in one tenth of a second. Compared with that, the wind load the World Trade Center towers were designed to withstand was 15 million pounds. Once this was understood, it should be clear that buildings could not be designed to stand against this kind of impact.

Engineers from around the world have concurred in acknowledging the heroic nature of the towers’ performance. The Press have been searching for the ‘smoking gun’ which would explain why so many people died. But, said Mr. Klemencic, there is no smoking gun. Nothing from the events of September 11th shows that American building codes are inappropriate.

Apart from the structures themselves whose integrity had been breached by openings up to 140ft (43m) wide, five safety systems in the towers were compromised simultaneously. These were the fireproofing, the fire stairs, the fire suppression system, the stairwells and compartmentalisation over the 3 – 5 floors involved in the immediate impacts.

“Let’s assume”, said Mr. Klemencic, “that we are able to develop some miracle technology to address this situation. In the United States each year, the commercial construction industry spends about $500 billion on new construction. If we are to increase the cost of construction by one or two per cent, that would mean $5 to $10 billion of added costs, to fight an unknown hazard at an unspecified time and place.

“We must not over-react. We must not jump to the conclusion that our buildings must somehow be changed to protect them against the threat of an in-bound aircraft. Rather, our response must be thoughtful and deliberate. We must educate the community at large as to appropriate expectations and assist in striking a balance in the costs so that our limited resources are spent wisely.”

Lightweight Steel Floor Trusses Said to be the ‘Weakest Link
Shortly after Ron Klemencic’s presentation in London, a television documentary program on the United Kingdom’s Channel 4 gave another explanation of why the WTC towers collapsed. This pointed to the use of lightweight steel floor trusses which had never been used in any tall building previously to span as much as 60 ft. (18m). In a commentary published on the Channel 4 web-site after the program, Paula Hawkins said that the core and elevator system of the buildings were also unusual. “Because it was feared the pressure created by the buildings’ high speed elevators might cause conventional elevator shafts to buckle, engineers used a drywall system fixed to a steel core to house the elevators.”

When the planes hit the towers, as many as 40 vertical columns at the perimeter of the building were knocked out. However, the towers were initially able to withstand this damage. “Indeed, the force with which the planes hit the buildings was 95 per cent of the wind load which they were designed to withstand.”

Lightweight steel trusses were alleged to be the weakest link in the structure. The commentary went on to quote Charles Clifton, a structural engineer at New Zealand’s Heavy Engineering Research Association as saying that having penetrated the perimeter frames, the planes would have done much more than just stripping the fire protection off the columns…..The effect would have been to completely shatter and eliminate large areas of the floor slabs and many of the internal supporting columns…..leaving the rest vulnerable to fire attack.

The Channel 4 web-site statement also said: “The structure of the WTC towers is crucial when considering the impact of the fire. The towers, being lightweight and devoid of concrete, were relatively difficult to protect from fire. The weakest link was the floor trusses, which spanned considerable distances. Made of such thin steel (about 4 cm thick), compared to the area they spanned meant they would have heated up very quickly…..Once the floors had succumbed to the heat of the fire, the integrity of the building was threatened. Core columns were not only bearing extra loads, but were subject to intensely high temperatures. Once they began to buckle, the crash site floors collapsed onto the floor underneath…..Once this domino effect had begun, it took seconds for the towers to be reduced to rubble.”


Insurers Found Structures Beaten by Temperatures Well Beyond Design
Munich Re, the German reinsurance company, in its own assessment of the disaster that struck the World Trade Center on September 11th, said that the outer facades and core of the towers were interconnected by horizontal steel trusses approx. 20 m long, which were covered with a layer of concrete roughly 10 cm thick to form the floor of each storey. This made it possible to create large office areas without additional supports. All the steel trusses were coated with the usual mixture of fireproof material used at that time.

Shortly after the aircraft struck, the fire reached temperatures of over 800 deg. C and as much as 1400 deg. according to some experts.

“The fireproof coating of the steel trusses in the core area was designed to withstand at best a local fire, such as burning archives. At temperatures of only 600 deg. C steel loses around 75 per cent of its strength. Despite their coating, the columns consequently gave way or melted completely.

“Although the North Tower had been struck first, the aircraft hit the building higher up and the fire raged longer there before the weakened steel columns in the floors finally caved in abruptly. Due to the dynamic force of this sudden failure of the loadbearing structure, the upper storeys hit the undamaged floors below with their full weight. The lower floors were not designed to withstand such loads and likewise collapsed. As a result, the North Tower caved in like a telescope at 10.28, almost an hour and three-quarters after the collision.

“In the case of the South Tower, the aircraft struck the building lower down and also severed the columns of the outer façade near one of the edges. Due to the higher load of the 35 or so floors above…..the upper half of the tower initially buckled. Then, at 10.02, almost exactly an hour after the collision, the tower completely collapsed in a huge cloud of dust. “The third building to succumb was the 47-storey 7 WTC on Vesey Street. Severely damaged by flying debris from the twin towers it collapsed floor by floor, almost in slow motion, at 17.40. Subsequently the other four buildings of the WTC collapsed one after the other too.”