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Pat at SLC Blog is Almost Thoughtful and Evenhanded

Posted by bg on December 9, 2007

This discussion leaves quite a bit to be desired. It’s more insightful, however, than most of what is posted at 911blogger.com.

via Screw Loose Change by Pat on 12/9/07

One of the more amusing debates within the Troofer community involves the “No Planes” theories. The “No-Planers” are commonly considered by the “Plane-Huggers” to be disinfo operatives planted inside the movement by the government to discredit the “legitimate Truthers”.

That’s wrong, and the reason why it’s wrong reveals a lot about the nature of conspiracy theories and how they’re constructed. Suppose you’re “Truther No.1″, the very first 9-11 conspiracy theorist, on the morning of 9-11. You say to your friend, “The US government did it!” And he promptly punches you in the snoot.

But suppose he’s a conspiracy theorist himself, so he doesn’t smack you. He says, “That’s interesting, but I don’t see how they pulled it off. Who, other than radical Muslim fanatics would commit suicide by flying a plane into a building?”

So you start brainstorming with him. Maybe commandos hijacked the planes, gassed all the passengers, and set the autopilots to crash the airliners into the buildings before parachuting to safety. Or maybe they already had remote control on the planes and so the cooperation (or elimination) of the pilots was not necessary. Maybe they were other planes, drones without passengers.

When you get right down to it, the planes are terribly inconvenient for the conspiracy theories. And as a result, almost all the MIHOP people attempt to wish them away either implicitly, or explicitly.

Examples? We get told all the time that Flights 11 and 77 were not even scheduled for that day. That’s a “No-Planer”. We get told that the tail numbers for some of the planes were not retired. That’s a “No-Planer”. Dylan Avery says in Loose Change II that Flight 93 actually landed in Cleveland. That’s a “No-Planer”. We get told constantly that the actual planes that crashed into the World Trade Center were 767-200 refueling planes. That’s a “No-Planer”. We get told that a cruise missile hit the Pentagon. That’s a “No-Planer”. Dylan Avery said in an interview that he’d like to believe the planes are still out there, flying around. That’s a “No-Planer”. We see references to “alleged” Flight 11. That’s a “No-Planer”. We see mentions that Todd Beamer isn’t on the Social Security Death Index. That’s a “No-Planer”. We hear that 6 or 7 or 8 or 9 of the hijackers are still alive. That’s a “No-Planer”.

Almost all the 9-11 conspiracy theorists are “No-Planers”, when you get right down to it. So the notion that the “TV Fakery” people are the “No-Planers” is absurd, and the notion that the supposedly mainstream Troofers are “Plane-Huggers” is equally a lie. The only Troofers who actually accept the planes are LIHOPers and that somewhat rare category of “LIHOP plus Controlled Demolition”.

Things you can do from here:

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737s not 767s used in Twin Towers Attacks

Posted by bg on December 9, 2007

via Suzie-Q by anthony on 12/7/07

anthony @ 17:35 GMT, updated 14:27 GMT, December 7, 2007

The planes which flew into the Twin Towers on 9/11 could not possibly have been Boeing 767s, as we have been led to believe.

In the first place, the planes which hit the Twin Towers were estimated to be doing more than 500 miles per hour, an impossible speed for Boeing 767s to be flying at at an altitude of 700 ft (they would simply disintegrate at that speed because of the density of the air), a fact established by Joseph Keith and confirmed by Boeing spokeswoman Leslie Hazzard and Boeing engineer Lori Bechtold in this video.

That immediately rules out flights 11 and 175 which were both Boeing 767s.

Secondly, the planes which hit the Twin Towers were seen to penetrate the wall of the buildings leaving a huge gaping hole. This, a Boeing 767, which is constructed of aluminium, could not do unaided by some other agency. I earlier speculated whether some kind of laser weapon like the one mounted on the 747 was used, but I think we can discount this possibility in the light of Jaclyn Cady’s comments. It would appear, then, that some more conventional weapon mounted on the plane’s fusilage was used. It is interesting in this respect in that videos of the planes hitting the Twin Towers show a bright flash just before the moment of impact.

Thirdly, eyewitnesses reported that both planes did not have commercial markings and did not have windows.

Fourthly, the aircraft engine found at the site of the South Tower was a CMF-56, which does not have enough power to lift a Boeing 767 off the ground!

Lastly, Flight 93, the plane purportedly shot down over Pennsylvania was spotted at Chicago’s O’Hare Airport on April 10, 2003, and according to the FAA, Flights 93 and 175 are still valid.

As to the kind of plane used in the 9/11 Twin Tower attacks, the most likely culprit would seem to be the Boeing 737. Compare this video of the South Tower aircraft and pictures of the South Tower plane below with the pictures of a Boeing 737 plane above and a Boeing 767 further below:

Look especially at the engines on the South Tower plane and how on the 737 they are on pods below the wings whereas on the 767 they are integrated with the wing.

And BTW, what engine does a Boeing 737 use? Yes, you’ve guessed it, a CMF-56!

Things you can do from here:

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TABOO: Link to Latest 911truth.podshow.com (video)

Posted by bg on December 2, 2007

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A Rare Post (9/11 Mass Deception) (updated)

Posted by bg on June 25, 2007

Update 6/25/07

Summary of this blog’s arguments

Here’s a quick summary of the arguments made at this blog about why there is no real evidence that planes hit the Twin Towers, and why there is strong reason to believe that false images were broadcast on 9/11. I will fill in the arguments with more links as time allows. Many of these ideas are not my original ideas, and I have tried to cite to original authors and be faithful to what they said. On the other hand, I would be surprised if the mainstream authors I cite would support the conclusions I draw from their work.
  blog it

Update 6/24/07

The Empire of Clowns Continues on Its Murderous, Genocidal Path

At this point in the monstrously bloody course of American Empire, I suppose I might take the sardonically grateful point of view. At least we now have some direct experience of how easy it was for nauseatingly corrupt Roman leaders to impose their will upon the ignorant hordes, and literally to get away with murder. Hell, who needed to “get away” with murder? Bloody, painful, lingering, ungraspably sadistic murder was one of the major entertainments.
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A Blog Which is New to Me
Superb!

Eleanor Digby; or, All the lonely people

In the land of the deaf and dumb, Digby is queen.
She’s the beltway pundits’
platonic form of a netroots insurgent,
and for the best of reasons: she’s a fuckin’ high-C fool,
just the ticket for the corporate party lite’s co-opt act.

Advice to you, my queen, before you ride out agin’ ‘em with your posse of
well-intended white-bonneted ronin –
first uncover the full dimensions of this Darth Amerika you are fixin’ to wrest
institutional power from.

Corrected Link to Digby’s Article Here:

Digby Speaks: The Netroots Revolution

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Is it any wonder that John Q. Public hasn’t caught on to the deception?

As part of its cover story on “what you need to know now,” Newsweek conducted a broad poll on a variety of political and cultural affairs. There were plenty of interesting results, but one section was particularly noteworthy.

Even today, more than four years into the war in Iraq, as many as four in ten Americans (41 percent) still believe Saddam Hussein’s regime was directly involved in financing, planning or carrying out the terrorist attacks on 9/11, even though no evidence has surfaced to support a connection. A majority of Americans were similarly unable to pick Saudi Arabia in a multiple-choice question about the country where most of the 9/11 hijackers were born. Just 43 percent got it right — and a full 20 percent thought most came from Iraq.

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Update 6/23/07

Update 6/22/07
From Morgan Reynold’s Web Site

clipped from www.nomoregames.net
Reynolds Booted from No Plane Club
Inducted into ‘Dirty Liars Club’
I was recently exiled from a group called the Scientific Panel Investigating Nine Eleven (SPINE) because I appeared on the Fox News Channel and responded to a question about planes in part by saying, “…There were no big Boeing crashes. At all four events, for example, there is no significant wreckage…an aluminum plane cannot go through a building like the South Tower was, as if it were thin air, glide right through it…”
The land of 9/11 is treacherous and the latest tremor was that Gerard Holmgren, a pioneer “no planer” and debater extraordinaire, broke the stunning news that I am “a plane hugger who is pretending to be a no plane proponent.” Mr. Holmgren makes his case by assuming the worst about my intentions, my work and what I say, so I must try to correct the record. But first, let me explain why I am responding to him now rather than, say, back in January.
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Update 6/21/07

No-plane witness?

http://www.tgeneva.com/~davethom/

After a while, I saw a huge fireball on the second tower — being on the far side, I didn’t see the plane and assumed a bomb or something had gone off. Other people behind me on land had a wider view and said they saw the second plane approach from far away, figuring it was a rescue plane of some kind. The second image shows the puff of the second impact, with arcing debris on the left side.

blog it

Update 6/20/07
Read this section last. Links from a website of pre-9/11 articles that might provide a historical and global context for 9/11:

Oracle of Alberta

Seven Golden Threads of the Global Quilt

Ode to Joy

On the Side of Golden Angels

Trick or Treat? – Novus Ordo Seclorum* and China

Demystifying Gold and Oil Trading through the LBMA Part – I

The H.M.S. Prosperity and Icebergs

Enroute to the Millennium Checkmate & a One World Order

Unveiling the Wizards of Oz – Part 1

Unveiling the Wizards of Oz – Part 2


6/19/07
This blog is meant to play the role of a diary or notepad for interesting links, many having to do with September 11. Rarely do I post anything near the short or long essays like other bloggers.

With that said, I think there has been enough activity at Screw Loose Change Blog and other places I frequent to warrant a “coming clean” or at least an explanation of where I stand with respect to 9/11 alternative theories. For 98% of those who find most all “9/11 Truthers” repugnant, I realize that there is not much to be gained as far as earning respect. So, I’m doing this for myself and for those other 2% of 9/11 Govt. story supporters, and for all those who pour your heart and soul into speaking out against the certain avoidance of the truth, and/or lies by individuals who owe their Country more of an explanation than has been provided.

To keep this short, I’m going to focus on the 2nd hit on 9/11, and the particular point of view which is sometimes called the “no plane” argument.

In many ways, implications of 9/11 alternative explanations describing who was behind 9/11 and the specifics of how it was executed are not important. Additionally, various authors have developed the abbreviations such as LIHOP and MIHOP. As useful as these labels are, I am arguing that the specifics of how 9/11 was engineered, and the extent that a certain circle of preps either provocateured, or engineered the destruction is not the overarching concern either. I want to note clearly that I’m saying that nuts and bolts of what happened and how, and how many innocent lives were destroyed, is of lesser import than an understanding of the nature of the “trick” and the huge payoff that the trick provided.

For those of you who simply want to debate and debunk various alternative theories, I know the following is going to bore you, so skip it if you wish.

Now, the rest of us, not the ones who just want to argue, and who are more interested in the impact of 9/11 on civilization than “conspiracy/anti-conspiracy debates”, should be able to agree on the following:

1) 9/11 was a slam dunk as a propaganda tool.

As a propaganda tool, it justified:

a) aggressive invasions of foreign lands
b) laws passed to enable police actions (spying, mass hysteria, and other steps including unchecked arrest and detainment) which would normally be met with massive push back from legislators and members of the public.

The mass media based experience of 9/11 created a myth of a grave danger (from mainly Arab terrorists) that would provide a foundational meme to justify a seemingly unlimited amount of military mobilization, spending, and general fear culture.

The idea that there exists a group of people who could have planned such an ambitious operation was indeed very difficult for this author accept, as it is for a huge majority of Americans. For example, there is very little in mainstream documented history of the US that could begin to explain how the press, particularly all major TV broadcasting outlets, could be co-opted to play along or support such a wholesale betrayal of the truth. Therefore, in order to begin to make a case for such a conspiracy, one must be able to point to evidence that this coordinated trickery is possible. (Hint: the ruse only required the insider status of a hand-full of individuals with access and amazing technology.)

Of course it’s way beyond the scope of this post to provide the background to make the case for the “Octopus”; for that reason, I’ll focus on the 2nd hit to serve as a gateway to seeing the larger picture.

Sometimes, rather than jump to a dry description of what transpired on 9/11 with the 2nd hit event, it is instructive to see how others have grappled with the same evidence and interpretations, and how they have struggled and fallen short of getting to the crux of the matter as well as failing to find the clues pointing to breakthrough knowledge. To demonstrate this, let’s start with:

How They Did the Plane Trick at WTC2

I’ll let the following links tell as complete as story as researchers have gathered. (Note: This research doesn’t explain everything or say what, if anything, hit the 2nd tower)

http://www.youtube.com/v/xpUKwpwSRwc
———————————————————————————–

clipped from www.911closeup.com

911Chronology.com- Nico’s Timeline


The timeline of CNN’s “reality tv” hoax from Sep11th and its impact.
By Nico Haupt, New York City, March 8, 2006

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Again, another amazing piece of documentary information NOT AIRED IN THE U.S.A. (why?), from the German version of the Discovery Channel’s Documentary “Inside the Twin Towers,” entitled “Die letzten Minuten im World Trade Center,” we can see the fraudulent wescam scam of a Secretive Military Media Manipulation (Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld – CIA – Pentagon, etc…)

The planes seen BY THE TV VIEWERS were Computer Generated Images (CGI,) as Nico Haupt has been declaring for years, if they were hiding errors of a holographic image covering a missile, they failed blatantly, as they caused more errors, errors that when seen (like this one,) can make any attentive viewer to think that there were NO PLANES AT ALL HITTING THE TARGETS!

1
The wescam scam of Chopper 5, that clearly exposes all deceptions of 9/11 for every viewer willing to INVESTIGATE, as presented in Germany [RTL.]
2
The wescam equipment on the choppers, as aired by CBS and in its Dan Rather’s documentary “What We Saw,” among all other stations that were “feed” with the same deceptions.
3
Clip from WNYW’s “NY New Day,” as bravely presented initally by Dylan Avery and his team in their “think-blaster” documentary “Loose Change” (V.1) [You were in the right track boys, don't falter in the hands of wicked cointelpros!]
3
Close-up of the three vehicles visible immediatelly surrounding the fake CGI plane, including some “flashes” above the WTC and close up of the fake CGI plane itself.
4
WNYW as presented by FOX 11.
5
The context of WNYW, to demonstrate the sudden change of cameras to the opposite side, to the chopper, just to broadcast the fake plane “wescamed” by chopper 5, after that only and singular event they went back to the prevous camera that was at the other side (what did that camera without “a wescam” captured? No Plane at all? Or ‘a tinier’ missile? Or a Holo-”Plane” Missing Wings?) No big plane in the horizon.
6
The same WNYW audio as aired by FOX 5, who however, aired a completely different video. In both of them you can hear somebody, near the end saying: “Very Nice! Chopper 5, is anybody on ???” (that seems to be the voice of one of the degenerate and secretive Secretive and ‘Military’ Media Manipulation, an agent for Bush’s ‘Black Operation 911,’ one of his many “assets” (or ass….) ) And “very nice” what? The fake video for the REAL killings of American Civilians and the “”LITERAL”" Destruction of America? Shame on you! Evil crook… “very nice? , very nice?” Burn Yourself!
7
A slide depiction showing the most common use of the wescam to trace the imaginary lines for the American Football games, a GCI line that “seems so real” that even goes below the players, “as if it were there.” Well, dear America, now one of your ‘entertainment’ tools has became an assasin!
8
Nico Haupt’s comparison of the two different video images that however, aired the very same audio (those broadcasters sound so ‘faky,’ pushing the official version even “before the facts,” putting their own words in the mouth of the person interviewed (also suspicious of fake witness,) as if they alredy knew that it was a ’special assignment’ “Bush’s Black Operation” 911’s wicked ’script.’ Is that “National Security”? To whom? Certainly NOT to the American Population!!!)

This is Nico’s expert explanation for his video:
9/11 TV Fakery: Pt.3.923 (FOX TV Feed Discrepancies)
00:47
The archives of FOX5 LOCAL do not show any plane at time of second hit.
Another “exclusive” helicopter feed was instead shown on FOX 11, KTTV, the Fox owned & operated station in Los Angeles.
FOXNEWS instead picked up from WABC7, which sh The archives of FOX5 LOCAL do not show any plane at time of second hit.
Another “exclusive” helicopter feed was instead shown on FOX 11, KTTV, the Fox owned & operated station in Los Angeles.
FOXNEWS instead picked up from WABC7, which shows another discrepancy of the incoming flight path.
Also “FOX11″ tries to hide a “nose-out” with an unexplained blankout screen.
More at http://www.911tvfakery.net

Conclusion: Scum-bags perpetrators of “Bush’s Black Operation 9/11″! Sooner or later you will receive what you deserve for ALL your crimes!

That’s why another of their “agents” sang a song declaring that “They took all the footage off my T.V. Said it’s too disturbing for you and me…” (disturbing? It is evidence! To be used in a court of LAW! Against the REAL criminals! The same ones that rushed to remove the material evidence. Thank GOD for the Internet that help us keep and carefully evaluate what really happened, the advanced technology used is a signature of the U.S. “Black Operations.”) That’s why the evil commander in chief says that he “doesn’t look back”!

To see the at least 20 ‘hi-tech’ events that occurred in that brief period of 8 minutes for the WTC2 attack, go to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYCKV9…

See the CNN feed of the “Saltergate” infamous deception:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi3S9V… (more) (less)
Category News & Politics

Further Study Here
Killtown

as seen on tvNeo-Conning the Media

MediaTransparency.org

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A Miscellaneous WABC Camera Link:

clipped from www.geocities.com
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clipped from www.911closeup.com

South Tower attack: Aircraft “Video” Contradictions

http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/charlie-sheen/charlie-sheen-talks-911-conspiracy-.php
“…There was a feeling, it just didn’t look any commercial jetliner I’ve flown on any time in my life…”

http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2006/3/emw.htm&cid=
“….I saw the south tower hit live, that famous wide shot where it
disappears behind the building
and then we see the tremendous fireball.”

Here is a comment of “spooked911″, a very constructive 9/11 researcher and -blogger (covertoperations.blogspot.com) on this issue:
“… Because pictures of the south tower “entry” hole show columns knocked
inward, I tend to favor possibilities where some flying object hits the
tower.
Because videos show conflicting plane paths, this suggests to me the flying
object was invisible or only weakly visible (a blur, perhaps only seen from
certain angles).
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clipped from angelsfortruth.com
Angels For Truth
There were at least two “News Helicopters” there shooting the attack.
Enhanced

Weird bright spots on the plane.

Maybe they used the film from a different sort of airplane or maybe there was allot of traffic around the World Trade Center before our Official Air Force arrived. See

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clipped from www.greatdreams.com

3) A firey explosion burst forth from a corner of WTC 2 about two thirds
of the way up, perhaps the 60th floor. The fireball created an intense radiative
impulse of heat from which we all had to turn our heads. From my vantage
point, I could not see the plane that caused it, which hit 180 degrees on
the other side of the building. Nor did I know at the time that a plane caused
it. I first thought it was a bomb, but the explosion was not accompanied
by the tell-tale acoustic Shockwave that rattles windows. This was
simply a low frequency rumble.

As it burst from the building’s corner, the fireball was so large that
it extended all the way across to WTC 1. The fact the building’s corner exploded
tells me that the ignited jet fuel got focused by the sides of the floor
into which the second plane flew, meeting at the corner with increased explosive
pressure. The flames were accompanied by countless thousands of sheets of
paper that burst forth

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more later…..

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A Rare Post (9/11 Mass Deception) (updated)

Posted by bg on June 25, 2007

Update 6/25/07

Summary of this blog’s arguments

Here’s a quick summary of the arguments made at this blog about why there is no real evidence that planes hit the Twin Towers, and why there is strong reason to believe that false images were broadcast on 9/11. I will fill in the arguments with more links as time allows. Many of these ideas are not my original ideas, and I have tried to cite to original authors and be faithful to what they said. On the other hand, I would be surprised if the mainstream authors I cite would support the conclusions I draw from their work.
  blog it

Update 6/24/07

The Empire of Clowns Continues on Its Murderous, Genocidal Path

At this point in the monstrously bloody course of American Empire, I suppose I might take the sardonically grateful point of view. At least we now have some direct experience of how easy it was for nauseatingly corrupt Roman leaders to impose their will upon the ignorant hordes, and literally to get away with murder. Hell, who needed to “get away” with murder? Bloody, painful, lingering, ungraspably sadistic murder was one of the major entertainments.
blog it


A Blog Which is New to Me
Superb!

Eleanor Digby; or, All the lonely people

In the land of the deaf and dumb, Digby is queen.
She’s the beltway pundits’
platonic form of a netroots insurgent,
and for the best of reasons: she’s a fuckin’ high-C fool,
just the ticket for the corporate party lite’s co-opt act.

Advice to you, my queen, before you ride out agin’ ‘em with your posse of
well-intended white-bonneted ronin –
first uncover the full dimensions of this Darth Amerika you are fixin’ to wrest
institutional power from.

Corrected Link to Digby’s Article Here:

Digby Speaks: The Netroots Revolution

blog it

Is it any wonder that John Q. Public hasn’t caught on to the deception?

As part of its cover story on “what you need to know now,” Newsweek conducted a broad poll on a variety of political and cultural affairs. There were plenty of interesting results, but one section was particularly noteworthy.

Even today, more than four years into the war in Iraq, as many as four in ten Americans (41 percent) still believe Saddam Hussein’s regime was directly involved in financing, planning or carrying out the terrorist attacks on 9/11, even though no evidence has surfaced to support a connection. A majority of Americans were similarly unable to pick Saudi Arabia in a multiple-choice question about the country where most of the 9/11 hijackers were born. Just 43 percent got it right — and a full 20 percent thought most came from Iraq.

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Update 6/23/07

Update 6/22/07
From Morgan Reynold’s Web Site

clipped from www.nomoregames.net
Reynolds Booted from No Plane Club
Inducted into ‘Dirty Liars Club’
I was recently exiled from a group called the Scientific Panel Investigating Nine Eleven (SPINE) because I appeared on the Fox News Channel and responded to a question about planes in part by saying, “…There were no big Boeing crashes. At all four events, for example, there is no significant wreckage…an aluminum plane cannot go through a building like the South Tower was, as if it were thin air, glide right through it…”
The land of 9/11 is treacherous and the latest tremor was that Gerard Holmgren, a pioneer “no planer” and debater extraordinaire, broke the stunning news that I am “a plane hugger who is pretending to be a no plane proponent.” Mr. Holmgren makes his case by assuming the worst about my intentions, my work and what I say, so I must try to correct the record. But first, let me explain why I am responding to him now rather than, say, back in January.
blog it

Update 6/21/07

No-plane witness?

http://www.tgeneva.com/~davethom/

After a while, I saw a huge fireball on the second tower — being on the far side, I didn’t see the plane and assumed a bomb or something had gone off. Other people behind me on land had a wider view and said they saw the second plane approach from far away, figuring it was a rescue plane of some kind. The second image shows the puff of the second impact, with arcing debris on the left side.

blog it

Update 6/20/07
Read this section last. Links from a website of pre-9/11 articles that might provide a historical and global context for 9/11:

Oracle of Alberta

Seven Golden Threads of the Global Quilt

Ode to Joy

On the Side of Golden Angels

Trick or Treat? – Novus Ordo Seclorum* and China

Demystifying Gold and Oil Trading through the LBMA Part – I

The H.M.S. Prosperity and Icebergs

Enroute to the Millennium Checkmate & a One World Order

Unveiling the Wizards of Oz – Part 1

Unveiling the Wizards of Oz – Part 2


6/19/07
This blog is meant to play the role of a diary or notepad for interesting links, many having to do with September 11. Rarely do I post anything near the short or long essays like other bloggers.

With that said, I think there has been enough activity at Screw Loose Change Blog and other places I frequent to warrant a “coming clean” or at least an explanation of where I stand with respect to 9/11 alternative theories. For 98% of those who find most all “9/11 Truthers” repugnant, I realize that there is not much to be gained as far as earning respect. So, I’m doing this for myself and for those other 2% of 9/11 Govt. story supporters, and for all those who pour your heart and soul into speaking out against the certain avoidance of the truth, and/or lies by individuals who owe their Country more of an explanation than has been provided.

To keep this short, I’m going to focus on the 2nd hit on 9/11, and the particular point of view which is sometimes called the “no plane” argument.

In many ways, implications of 9/11 alternative explanations describing who was behind 9/11 and the specifics of how it was executed are not important. Additionally, various authors have developed the abbreviations such as LIHOP and MIHOP. As useful as these labels are, I am arguing that the specifics of how 9/11 was engineered, and the extent that a certain circle of preps either provocateured, or engineered the destruction is not the overarching concern either. I want to note clearly that I’m saying that nuts and bolts of what happened and how, and how many innocent lives were destroyed, is of lesser import than an understanding of the nature of the “trick” and the huge payoff that the trick provided.

For those of you who simply want to debate and debunk various alternative theories, I know the following is going to bore you, so skip it if you wish.

Now, the rest of us, not the ones who just want to argue, and who are more interested in the impact of 9/11 on civilization than “conspiracy/anti-conspiracy debates”, should be able to agree on the following:

1) 9/11 was a slam dunk as a propaganda tool.

As a propaganda tool, it justified:

a) aggressive invasions of foreign lands
b) laws passed to enable police actions (spying, mass hysteria, and other steps including unchecked arrest and detainment) which would normally be met with massive push back from legislators and members of the public.

The mass media based experience of 9/11 created a myth of a grave danger (from mainly Arab terrorists) that would provide a foundational meme to justify a seemingly unlimited amount of military mobilization, spending, and general fear culture.

The idea that there exists a group of people who could have planned such an ambitious operation was indeed very difficult for this author accept, as it is for a huge majority of Americans. For example, there is very little in mainstream documented history of the US that could begin to explain how the press, particularly all major TV broadcasting outlets, could be co-opted to play along or support such a wholesale betrayal of the truth. Therefore, in order to begin to make a case for such a conspiracy, one must be able to point to evidence that this coordinated trickery is possible. (Hint: the ruse only required the insider status of a hand-full of individuals with access and amazing technology.)

Of course it’s way beyond the scope of this post to provide the background to make the case for the “Octopus”; for that reason, I’ll focus on the 2nd hit to serve as a gateway to seeing the larger picture.

Sometimes, rather than jump to a dry description of what transpired on 9/11 with the 2nd hit event, it is instructive to see how others have grappled with the same evidence and interpretations, and how they have struggled and fallen short of getting to the crux of the matter as well as failing to find the clues pointing to breakthrough knowledge. To demonstrate this, let’s start with:

How They Did the Plane Trick at WTC2

I’ll let the following links tell as complete as story as researchers have gathered. (Note: This research doesn’t explain everything or say what, if anything, hit the 2nd tower)

http://www.youtube.com/v/xpUKwpwSRwc
———————————————————————————–

clipped from www.911closeup.com

911Chronology.com- Nico’s Timeline


The timeline of CNN’s “reality tv” hoax from Sep11th and its impact.
By Nico Haupt, New York City, March 8, 2006

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Again, another amazing piece of documentary information NOT AIRED IN THE U.S.A. (why?), from the German version of the Discovery Channel’s Documentary “Inside the Twin Towers,” entitled “Die letzten Minuten im World Trade Center,” we can see the fraudulent wescam scam of a Secretive Military Media Manipulation (Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld – CIA – Pentagon, etc…)

The planes seen BY THE TV VIEWERS were Computer Generated Images (CGI,) as Nico Haupt has been declaring for years, if they were hiding errors of a holographic image covering a missile, they failed blatantly, as they caused more errors, errors that when seen (like this one,) can make any attentive viewer to think that there were NO PLANES AT ALL HITTING THE TARGETS!

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The wescam scam of Chopper 5, that clearly exposes all deceptions of 9/11 for every viewer willing to INVESTIGATE, as presented in Germany [RTL.]
2
The wescam equipment on the choppers, as aired by CBS and in its Dan Rather’s documentary “What We Saw,” among all other stations that were “feed” with the same deceptions.
3
Clip from WNYW’s “NY New Day,” as bravely presented initally by Dylan Avery and his team in their “think-blaster” documentary “Loose Change” (V.1) [You were in the right track boys, don't falter in the hands of wicked cointelpros!]
3
Close-up of the three vehicles visible immediatelly surrounding the fake CGI plane, including some “flashes” above the WTC and close up of the fake CGI plane itself.
4
WNYW as presented by FOX 11.
5
The context of WNYW, to demonstrate the sudden change of cameras to the opposite side, to the chopper, just to broadcast the fake plane “wescamed” by chopper 5, after that only and singular event they went back to the prevous camera that was at the other side (what did that camera without “a wescam” captured? No Plane at all? Or ‘a tinier’ missile? Or a Holo-”Plane” Missing Wings?) No big plane in the horizon.
6
The same WNYW audio as aired by FOX 5, who however, aired a completely different video. In both of them you can hear somebody, near the end saying: “Very Nice! Chopper 5, is anybody on ???” (that seems to be the voice of one of the degenerate and secretive Secretive and ‘Military’ Media Manipulation, an agent for Bush’s ‘Black Operation 911,’ one of his many “assets” (or ass….) ) And “very nice” what? The fake video for the REAL killings of American Civilians and the “”LITERAL”" Destruction of America? Shame on you! Evil crook… “very nice? , very nice?” Burn Yourself!
7
A slide depiction showing the most common use of the wescam to trace the imaginary lines for the American Football games, a GCI line that “seems so real” that even goes below the players, “as if it were there.” Well, dear America, now one of your ‘entertainment’ tools has became an assasin!
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Nico Haupt’s comparison of the two different video images that however, aired the very same audio (those broadcasters sound so ‘faky,’ pushing the official version even “before the facts,” putting their own words in the mouth of the person interviewed (also suspicious of fake witness,) as if they alredy knew that it was a ’special assignment’ “Bush’s Black Operation” 911’s wicked ’script.’ Is that “National Security”? To whom? Certainly NOT to the American Population!!!)

This is Nico’s expert explanation for his video:
9/11 TV Fakery: Pt.3.923 (FOX TV Feed Discrepancies)
00:47
The archives of FOX5 LOCAL do not show any plane at time of second hit.
Another “exclusive” helicopter feed was instead shown on FOX 11, KTTV, the Fox owned & operated station in Los Angeles.
FOXNEWS instead picked up from WABC7, which sh The archives of FOX5 LOCAL do not show any plane at time of second hit.
Another “exclusive” helicopter feed was instead shown on FOX 11, KTTV, the Fox owned & operated station in Los Angeles.
FOXNEWS instead picked up from WABC7, which shows another discrepancy of the incoming flight path.
Also “FOX11″ tries to hide a “nose-out” with an unexplained blankout screen.
More at http://www.911tvfakery.net

Conclusion: Scum-bags perpetrators of “Bush’s Black Operation 9/11″! Sooner or later you will receive what you deserve for ALL your crimes!

That’s why another of their “agents” sang a song declaring that “They took all the footage off my T.V. Said it’s too disturbing for you and me…” (disturbing? It is evidence! To be used in a court of LAW! Against the REAL criminals! The same ones that rushed to remove the material evidence. Thank GOD for the Internet that help us keep and carefully evaluate what really happened, the advanced technology used is a signature of the U.S. “Black Operations.”) That’s why the evil commander in chief says that he “doesn’t look back”!

To see the at least 20 ‘hi-tech’ events that occurred in that brief period of 8 minutes for the WTC2 attack, go to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYCKV9…

See the CNN feed of the “Saltergate” infamous deception:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi3S9V… (more) (less)
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A Miscellaneous WABC Camera Link:

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clipped from www.911closeup.com

South Tower attack: Aircraft “Video” Contradictions

http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/charlie-sheen/charlie-sheen-talks-911-conspiracy-.php
“…There was a feeling, it just didn’t look any commercial jetliner I’ve flown on any time in my life…”

http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2006/3/emw.htm&cid=
“….I saw the south tower hit live, that famous wide shot where it
disappears behind the building
and then we see the tremendous fireball.”

Here is a comment of “spooked911″, a very constructive 9/11 researcher and -blogger (covertoperations.blogspot.com) on this issue:
“… Because pictures of the south tower “entry” hole show columns knocked
inward, I tend to favor possibilities where some flying object hits the
tower.
Because videos show conflicting plane paths, this suggests to me the flying
object was invisible or only weakly visible (a blur, perhaps only seen from
certain angles).
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clipped from angelsfortruth.com
Angels For Truth
There were at least two “News Helicopters” there shooting the attack.
Enhanced

Weird bright spots on the plane.

Maybe they used the film from a different sort of airplane or maybe there was allot of traffic around the World Trade Center before our Official Air Force arrived. See

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clipped from www.greatdreams.com

3) A firey explosion burst forth from a corner of WTC 2 about two thirds
of the way up, perhaps the 60th floor. The fireball created an intense radiative
impulse of heat from which we all had to turn our heads. From my vantage
point, I could not see the plane that caused it, which hit 180 degrees on
the other side of the building. Nor did I know at the time that a plane caused
it. I first thought it was a bomb, but the explosion was not accompanied
by the tell-tale acoustic Shockwave that rattles windows. This was
simply a low frequency rumble.

As it burst from the building’s corner, the fireball was so large that
it extended all the way across to WTC 1. The fact the building’s corner exploded
tells me that the ignited jet fuel got focused by the sides of the floor
into which the second plane flew, meeting at the corner with increased explosive
pressure. The flames were accompanied by countless thousands of sheets of
paper that burst forth

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Alex Jones Watch: When Was the Naudet Bros 1st Hit Vid First Shown?

Posted by bg on May 9, 2007

Update 5/8/07

5/5/2007

In today’s radio program, (5/4/2007) Alex gets this wrong.

First, a little context to explain this post. Alex was discussing the clear lie by Pres. Bush about having seen the 1st hit “on TV”. Alex’s point is very important on this and he is right on the money.

However, he goes on to say that it was a long time before the 1st hit video was released. He’s not correct here. Clips of the Naudet Bros 1st ht vid was shown on major media on 9/12.

Try getting your facts right, Attaboy – it might help us take your arguments
seriously. For a start :
1. It was American Airlines, not United, Flight 11.
2. The Naudet video was shown on British – and probably US – TV the next day,
not “some days after the attacks.” I have a videotape of it on the ITN News,
12 September 2001.
3. It is not the only video of the first plane – you have obviously never heard of Pavel Hlava.

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clipped from 911blimp.net

This video was shot (to tape) by Jules Naudet. It is the only known video of the 1st WTC impact. It spent the day in his camera with him at Ground Zero. It was first broadcast by Univision at around 1 a.m. (EDT) on 9/12, which is when this VHS recording was made. (download) (download2)

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Alex Jones Watch: When Was the Naudet Bros 1st Hit Vid First Shown?

Posted by bg on May 8, 2007

Update 5/8/07

5/5/2007

In today’s radio program, (5/4/2007) Alex gets this wrong.

First, a little context to explain this post. Alex was discussing the clear lie by Pres. Bush about having seen the 1st hit “on TV”. Alex’s point is very important on this and he is right on the money.

However, he goes on to say that it was a long time before the 1st hit video was released. He’s not correct here. Clips of the Naudet Bros 1st ht vid was shown on major media on 9/12.

Try getting your facts right, Attaboy – it might help us take your arguments
seriously. For a start :
1. It was American Airlines, not United, Flight 11.
2. The Naudet video was shown on British – and probably US – TV the next day,
not “some days after the attacks.” I have a videotape of it on the ITN News,
12 September 2001.
3. It is not the only video of the first plane – you have obviously never heard of Pavel Hlava.

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clipped from 911blimp.net

This video was shot (to tape) by Jules Naudet. It is the only known video of the 1st WTC impact. It spent the day in his camera with him at Ground Zero. It was first broadcast by Univision at around 1 a.m. (EDT) on 9/12, which is when this VHS recording was made. (download) (download2)

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Discussion of the 1st Hit Video (Naudet Bros.) on 9/11

Posted by bg on October 14, 2006

The Incredible 9-11 Evidence We’ve All been Overlooking

The Incredible 9-11 Evidence We’ve All been Overlooking
by Leonard Spencer

(It appears, based a little googling of “Leonard Spencer”, that it is a “pen name” which was not used with any larger body of work. This is mildly disconcerting. The author bio of website where is article is found is here.)

Blogger Thoughts:

Mr. Spencer, on this linked page above, reviews the video and presents what I consider to be a reasonable case for startling conclusions based on the evidence.

However, based on the number of 9/11 researchers / truth advocates who reject it, this idea that Flight 11 did not hit the WTC on 9/11 must be so unsettling to people that they won’t wrap their heads around it.

There are many people I’ve talked with about the videos of the planes hitting the WTC buildings. Based on Spencer, Webfairy and other researchers, I bring up the cartoon-like nature of the impact (meaning the plane is simply “swallowed”, wings, tail and all, rather than breaking up / deforming outside the building based on stress against a relatively weak hollow tube (in the case of the fuselage).

(Relative to this, I find the claim that the plane “vaporized” that allegedly impacted the Pentagon an absolute joke. The idea that anyone believes the official story about the Pentagon really is amazing to me.)

One response that I have received, both of individuals who believe that we’ve been lied to about 9/11 and from those who accept the official story, is as follows:

“How do you know what the impact should have looked like? There has never before been a jetliner hit the a building like the WTC going approximately 500 mph.”

Rather than say I know I’m right, or offer the argument that supports my point of view, I find myself asking the following questions:

1) Does this really matter? If we can prove Controlled Demolition of the WTC 1,2, and 7, what role does trying to prove strange conclusions such as this play?

2) Were there explosives in the WTC that were detonated at the time of the impact that helped “create the hole” for the plane to enter? Is it any wonder that the logistics of this, that is a “dressed up” missile hitting the right spot in WTC 1 to correspond with the detonation of pre-planted explosives, makes many otherwise open minded researchers’ heads spin. In light of this, it’s not surprising that some would suggest that the video is simply a fake, and say that object appearing as plane is produced with high tech. wizardry.

I reject the full-out “no-planer” argument: the idea that witnesses did not see (and hear) some sort of airborne objects flying and impacting is just too far afield for me.

However, the idea that none of the officially designated flights on 9/11 are to be found at their official crash destinations is something that I think is supported by the evidence. This kind of talk, however well-founded, with the mystery of what happened to those flights and the people aboard, is enough to make it possible for those who would disparage the 9/11 doubters as loonies.

As much as I believe in the rightness of my conclusions, and those who agree with the same general idea, my primary interest is in the exposure of the false-flag nature of 9/11, and I’m willing to put discussions such as this in the background of debate.

However, I will continue to believe that people like Hopsicker, who evidently really does think Atta hijacked and flew Flight 11 into WTC 1:

a) is either a disinfo agent, or

b) hasn’t taken a fair look at how that story does not stand up.

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Adding a link for Morgan Reynolds:

Conspiracy and Closed Minds on 9/11
by Morgan Reynolds, Ph.D.
March, 2006

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Discussion of the 1st Hit Video (Naudet Bros.) on 9/11

Posted by bg on October 14, 2006

The Incredible 9-11 Evidence We’ve All been Overlooking

The Incredible 9-11 Evidence We’ve All been Overlooking
by Leonard Spencer

(It appears, based a little googling of “Leonard Spencer”, that it is a “pen name” which was not used with any larger body of work. This is mildly disconcerting. The author bio of website where is article is found is here.)

Blogger Thoughts:

Mr. Spencer, on this linked page above, reviews the video and presents what I consider to be a reasonable case for startling conclusions based on the evidence.

However, based on the number of 9/11 researchers / truth advocates who reject it, this idea that Flight 11 did not hit the WTC on 9/11 must be so unsettling to people that they won’t wrap their heads around it.

There are many people I’ve talked with about the videos of the planes hitting the WTC buildings. Based on Spencer, Webfairy and other researchers, I bring up the cartoon-like nature of the impact (meaning the plane is simply “swallowed”, wings, tail and all, rather than breaking up / deforming outside the building based on stress against a relatively weak hollow tube (in the case of the fuselage).

(Relative to this, I find the claim that the plane “vaporized” that allegedly impacted the Pentagon an absolute joke. The idea that anyone believes the official story about the Pentagon really is amazing to me.)

One response that I have received, both of individuals who believe that we’ve been lied to about 9/11 and from those who accept the official story, is as follows:

“How do you know what the impact should have looked like? There has never before been a jetliner hit the a building like the WTC going approximately 500 mph.”

Rather than say I know I’m right, or offer the argument that supports my point of view, I find myself asking the following questions:

1) Does this really matter? If we can prove Controlled Demolition of the WTC 1,2, and 7, what role does trying to prove strange conclusions such as this play?

2) Were there explosives in the WTC that were detonated at the time of the impact that helped “create the hole” for the plane to enter? Is it any wonder that the logistics of this, that is a “dressed up” missile hitting the right spot in WTC 1 to correspond with the detonation of pre-planted explosives, makes many otherwise open minded researchers’ heads spin. In light of this, it’s not surprising that some would suggest that the video is simply a fake, and say that object appearing as plane is produced with high tech. wizardry.

I reject the full-out “no-planer” argument: the idea that witnesses did not see (and hear) some sort of airborne objects flying and impacting is just too far afield for me.

However, the idea that none of the officially designated flights on 9/11 are to be found at their official crash destinations is something that I think is supported by the evidence. This kind of talk, however well-founded, with the mystery of what happened to those flights and the people aboard, is enough to make it possible for those who would disparage the 9/11 doubters as loonies.

As much as I believe in the rightness of my conclusions, and those who agree with the same general idea, my primary interest is in the exposure of the false-flag nature of 9/11, and I’m willing to put discussions such as this in the background of debate.

However, I will continue to believe that people like Hopsicker, who evidently really does think Atta hijacked and flew Flight 11 into WTC 1:

a) is either a disinfo agent, or

b) hasn’t taken a fair look at how that story does not stand up.

———————————————————————————-

Adding a link for Morgan Reynolds:

Conspiracy and Closed Minds on 9/11
by Morgan Reynolds, Ph.D.
March, 2006

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